Response to Muertos 2

Hi again Muertos. I read your response to my blog and responded to it to the best of my ability in this post:
(Your statements will be in Italics)

You claim that the Desteni I Process is a means to self-finance a political/social movement to remake the world in Desteni's image. Yet, researching Desteni, I see very little evidence that this is the case.

DIP is but one of the ways the Desteni group is financing itself to eventually (realistically, in about 10 years) enter into politics to change public policy from profit-based policies to policies that support life. For more details about the political platform which you can vote and comment on, visit the Equal Money Website (equalmoney.org). Desteni doesn’t have any specific ‘image,’ it is a group with clearly defined and stated principles, which are to consider all life within everything you do (a.k.a: equality and oneness). I’m taking a First Peoples Studies class right now, and I learned that part of Native American ideology is to “think seven generations ahead”, so that, within whatever you do, you think about the effects your choices and actions might have for the next seven generations to come. But why stop at seven? That’s the difference with Desteni: it is to consider all Life, for all time.

            You probably found very little evidence about the political movement, first of all, because the Desteni material is extensive and takes a serious commitment to research and understand. It’s really easy to just skim it over and make ideas about it that are completely opposed to what the group stands for.

Second, because the ‘Desteni’ aspect of this process is where the personal processes of individuals is taking place, while the Equal Money side of things is where politics, monetary system, health and educations systems etc… are more specifically discussed. There is much overlapping, but generally, there is a division. For example, people will have two different blogs for the two different categories. In the end, it’s all one and it intersects all over the place. I didn’t know about the Equal Money movement right away either, it took me about a year to get to that point, but it’s becoming more obvious now as more people are participating and understanding the principles and how the two relate to each other (the individual process and the ‘world systems’ process). My personal blog : thrubreath.blogspot.com or kimsjourneytolife.blogspot.com, Equal money blog is this blog.

Thirdly- right now the focus/priority is on the individual processes, because nobody can change anything until they change themselves first. So, right now the priority is self-change while the platform for the Equal Money System and the political processes are in their very first initial stages in terms of the websites, social media networking, funding, and clearly explaining the principles in every way possible and putting it online in writing and vlogs. This will take a lot of time, dedication, commitment, and the evidence of our dedication, commitment and the investment of our time is found in the websites, funding methods, networking, vlogs and blogs which are everywhere.

 You say you're not paying for DIP courses. Who is paying, then? Somebody somewhere must be--and if you say that the proceeds of selling DIP courses is for the purpose of financing political change, there is money changing hands somewhere. So my question is: where is this money going? Do you even know where it's going? Have you ever bothered to ask where it's going?

I’m not paying for my DIPcourses because I have been sponsored. The sponsorship program is built into the design of the course. A percentage coming from every paying member is committed to the sponsorship program, and many people are being sponsored (about half, the last time I heard). It is Desteni members supporting other members. When I am able, I will pay for my courses in order to support those who cannot. It is worth it to me, and I’m committed to support a group that is dedicated to change.

I’ve never asked where the money is going because I was never asked for money.

Nobody is asked for money.

If you decide to do DIP it is YOUR decision which you should thoroughly consider and fit into your life when you are ready. The people who make that decision have been participating with Desteni for long enough to see for themselves where the money is going.

If you’re concerned about where the money is going within any kind of investment or donation, then don’t give invest money. If you’re not comfortable, then thoroughly research it before you make a decision. I wouldn’t recommend giving one’s money away to anything or anyone unless you have proven to yourself through thorough research that the company or business is legit. That is common sense.

From my perspective, as someone who has tried it out for herself, it is the most worthwhile investment one can make, because it is an investment in myself as well as in the change I want to see and work for. But this I proved to myself. I never placed blind faith into Desteni. I tried the tools for myself, I read the information, I interacted and asked questions, I participated. I read the cult websites that were opposed to Desteni so that I could see it from both sides. I did all of that for several years before I made the decision to join DIP and purchase some products from the Eqafe.com online store (which also has an affiliate program that gives a percentage of sales back to members who chose to participate).

Yes there are parts of Desteni that you can pay for IF you choose to do so, but the majority of it is free, and both DIP and the Eqafe online store are designed to support you in return.

 If this were a scam, it wouldn’t be very profitable, because if you try out the course and you don’t like it, all you’re liable to loose is less than one month’s course payment. Think about that. It just doesn’t make sense.

What does make sense is that this is a legitimate leadership training program that people have first tried out for free and then decided to pursue once they proved to themselves it works.

What also makes sense is that this is a group who have found a very plausible solution to a really huge and horrible global situation, and are now, against all odds, dedicating themselves to that solution. It just requires commitment by a large group of self-directed people, which is what we’re busy building.

Everybody who is aware of the suffering on earth should be clamoring over each other to get into politics to change the laws and policies that have created these problems, yet Desteni is the only group that I have heard of that is proposing a global political economic solution to a global political economic problem. If you were a person starving in an impoverished country, what would you want the population in rich countries to be doing? By placing myself in their shoes, I decide how I should be directing myself as a human being, and I figure out what is really important.

 If you take DIP, you will be so thoroughly faced with the interconnectedness of this world, that you will feel the urgency of the situation of the planet as if it were your own responsibility to act (which it is). So we act. But self-change is first required, because the nature of who we are as humanity is how we got into this situation in the first place. So first we find a way to change our nature, eliminate the fear, the consumerism, the deception, the ego, the self-interest, the superiority/inferiority, the judgment etc, etc, etc. We cannot be trusted with life until we deal with this stuff first, as efficiently and effectively as possible.

The Desteni material, when applied, allows you to build a mirror in which you can see the things you’ve put up with in your life so that you can change, it reveals to us our nature in order that we may face it, forgive it and change it. We do this until we establish self-trust, and we continue to do this until we are a large group who can be trusted. But first we have to prove to ourselves we can be trusted. Have you ever made a commitment to yourself and then failed to live up to it? The Desteni tools, and especially DIP, helps you develop the discipline to make commitments and live up to them.

If indeed Desteni is using this MLM scheme as a way to finance a political/social movement, where is the fund or foundation that's being used to do this?

The Equal Life Foundation. (Equallife.org- still being developed but the site is up, the domain is owned)

Is it a nonprofit?

Yes.

 Whose laws (which country) is it organized under?

It is based out of South Africa, under their laws. Here is the info from the introduction page of the Equal Money website "The Equal Money System (EMS) is a research and development Project to formulate and investigate responses to general policies that affect the day to day life on Earth as to lifestyle for human, animal and plant. This project is managed and directed under the auspices of the Equal Life Foundation, a Non-Profit Organization, constituted under South African Law, duly audited as per legal requirements. Please support this NPO – either by donating or buying products from our online store."

 Have you seen its profit and loss statements? If you or someone on your behalf is contributing money to an organization that you seem to describe as a non-profit, you have a right to see the finances and know where the money is going.

All laws will be abided by and thoroughly adhered to, just like they are with DIP and Eqafe.

Why is Desteni not using this money to finance political campaigns?

It is too early for political campaigns; we are right now doing research, writing online books, exposing current problems, setting up websites, blogging, vlogging, supporting each other on forums, developing social networks, learning the way the current system works, going to school, training leaders that can be trusted to lead as equals, and forming a group from all that are willing and able to join and commit themselves to themselves and to all life as themselves. This entire endeavor is being built from the ground up, it is a huge endeavor that cannot just happen, it is happening little by little, consistently over time, which will bring about results.

Recently, a new desteni-specific social networking site has been put up called destonians- the earthlings, as well as a Desteni- Wiki site explaining concepts and terminology. There ave also been countless facebook groups organized, for example, stopping a habit in 21 days, redefining money, the 7 year journey to life, animals lead the way to oneness and equality, occupy solution: the Equal Money Solution, stop all religions and learn to live as equals, blogging and vlogging and sharing self-realizations, 2012- The year of self-transformation, self-forgiveness group, Redefining health and disease, wellness and illness, The equal life party -one party, one princl=iple- equality, why is starvation not murder? Insanity of the Beauty Industry, and many, many more. The latest development is the change in the Equal Money System website; the political platform has been posted. It has been posted in a way that reflects how the Equal Life Party will function: one man, one vote in an interactive venue that allows one to disagree and place input into each decision. Many in the group are in school, studying law, economics, education, politics and psychology, or working at jobs that will place them in the most effective positions to stabilize themselves financially so that we are not owned by debt.

How many candidates is Desteni running, and for which offices?

Desteni will begin the political process in about 10 years; these questions will be dealt with when the time comes. As I have said, this is being built up from nothing, leaders are being trained, and information is being made available to all current leaders who are able to hear and understand the importance of valuing life and the environment over money. If current leaders do not step forth and stand up for a dignified life for all, then anyone who joins Desteni will learn to give themselves what it will take to stand up for life in this way, by their own actions. This is done by placing themselves effectively to do what they can with the resources they have and with the support of the group, in order to work within a group to bring about change. This group is completely open to anyone who is willing to stop and change. I can’t predict the future, but this is what I see is already happening, and what will continue to happen over the years as the group grows and the individuals within it become more effective.

 How are they paying for their campaigns?

Remember that MLM ‘scheme’ you’ve been all up in arms about? The subject of your first blog, then my response, then your response to my response? That's one way. Then there’s other courses and the Eqafe online store, donations, t-shirts, blog books. We’re self-financed.

 Is Desteni paying volunteers to go out there and drum up support for the Equal Money System? If so, who is paying them, how are they being paid, and where is the money coming from?

 Volunteers are ‘drumming up support’ freely, by explaining the common sense and absolute gains of an equality-based system through blogging, vlogging and social media. That’s what we do; we use our time to spread the message of equality over social media so that people realize that this failing economic system has an alternative that can be better than what we have now. Personally, I do it because it’s what I would want for myself, it’s the kind of system I want for my nieces and nephew and for their children and so on. I don’t want future generations to repeat our mistakes, so I do not expect to be paid to explain this as much as possible. Nobody involved in Desteni is paid to ‘drum up support’.

You claim there's total transparency in the system. If that's truly the case, you should be able to answer these questions quite easily.

It was quite easy for me to answer these questions.

You claim that DIP cannot be a pyramid scheme or hierarchy because each agent is limited to 10 followers (in MLM speak, each distributor has a maximum downline of 10). This is nonsensical and doesn't eliminate the pyramidal structure at all. In fact, it reinforces it; if you're planning to take the world by storm but each distributor is limited to a downline of 10, you're going to need a lot more distributors, aren't you? Therefore, the 10 downline cap is in place to expand the horizontal reach of the pyramid at the bottom--but the money is still going right to the top. It's actually pretty rare in well-financed MLM schemes for a distributor to have more than 10 in their downline, because most MLM distributors make peanuts anyway. This does not alleviate my concerns whatsoever.

Yes,DIP is structured as an MLM business, yes Desteni is going to be supported by its members this way, while at the same time giving members the opportunity to support ourselves. The maximum of ten recruits ensures equality among members, and as I’ve said before, the MLM includes a sponsorship program to ensure equality for those who can’t afford it. There are many abusive pyramid and MLM’s out there because that is what our current economic system rewards, but Desteni is not one of them. Just because Desteni has to find ways to make money does not mean it is automatically ‘up to no good’. Actually, when I think about it, most businesses that are out to make money are up to no good, because they are placing profit above life. Desteni values life, and will always work towards an economic system that does the same.

You claim that Desteni has no leader. What role do you believe Bernard Poolman plays in the Desteni organization? You do realize that all of the initial Desteni material--the weird videos with the chupacabra icon, Sunette Spies channeling Hitler and pieces of toilet paper, etc.--was all created and directed by Bernard Poolman, right? If he's not the leader, what is he?

Bernard Poolman realized what it would take to create a real lasting change in this world and he started to do it. He realized that only a group of equals would be able to effect this change, so he used the internet. As a result, people learned what he was doing, saw the common-sense in it and began doing it as well. He is the one with the most experience with the Desteni tools. He shares the realizations he’s had through social media. As far as I have ever seen, he is dedicated to equality and bringing it about first through economic equality to get humanity on an equal playing field (to play together, not in competition).

I have been involved with Desteni for 3-4 years, and Bernard Poolman has had very little to do with my personal process of self-change. He doesn’t have that kind of power over anyone, nor would he want it. Because if someone can be manipulated by him, then they can be manipulated by anyone and therefor they can’t be trusted. If anything, Bernard challenges one to look into why they react to him. If you are reactive, then you can’t be trusted either because then your reactions have more control over you then you do. People who lash out in anger and hate or allow greed are not self-directive, but rather directed by their emotions and feelings.

I watch the videos Bernard makes for insights and the common sense they offer.

The chupacabra is a painting made by Andrew Gable from Canada and is not some mystical magical mysterious thing, he made it up himself and Bernard liked it. It’s composed of all different animals forming one being, which is a cool message. I don’t know if that’s why Bernard chose to use it, but that’s why I like it and I find it fitting for someone who is dedicated to the principle of oneness (and equality).

His role is as an equal in the group. We’re all making videos, blogging and vlogging, he just makes more than most are able to, and his videos tend to bring out more reactions from people. I think he does that on purpose, because he’s only ever talking about equality, and the absolute evil of humanity in this world. Many people don’t like to hear that, but it’s true. There are some serious atrocities going on in the world, to the animals and to children and poor people and within all walks of life. Let’s acknowledge that and not pretend like everything is rosy. It’s not. It’s so beyond fucked-up that I don’t think a lot of people could handle it. I have a hard time watching youtube videos of farmers burying hundreds of pigs alive, and factory farms and the abuse of animals. Now think of that on a mass scale, add child prostitution and rape, murder, the appalling violence of war, torture, starvation. Bernard talks about that stuff and reminds us that we’re all responsible for it because we participate in a system that creates it, supports it, allows it, rewards it, accepts it. That is some EVIL shit, and it needs to end. That is what he is saying. People will react because it’s a tough pill to swallow.

But if you react to his videos you’re basically saying “I’m not responsible for this” or “I am not equal to this evil, I am better than it’ or “I am less than it.” That’s not true, we are all exactly equal to it, and until we realize that, it will not change. Anything other than equality allows us to ignore the problem or only try half-assed solutions. We need to realize our ABSOLUTE equality to other people and to the world systems if we are to empower ourselves to change it. The only thing that makes us unequal to those starving in poverty is money, so an Equal Money System will solve that so that we can finally see the real equality that is here that money obscures.

“I commit myself to stand with each that choose to stand till this is done and through such support it will be as if I have walked it myself, yet each part would have walked themselves to life, yet they were not alone as we walk as one yet as self responsible for self.” –Bernad Poolman

Most of the justifications you present for joining the DIP are very vague statements about equality and such. There are no specifics. When Desteni members are challenged on the unsavory aspects of their group, they retreat to very bland generalities about "equality, oneness and doing what's best for all." Any further questioning of Desteni dogma usually sparks the challenged person to paint the questioner as opposing the idea of equality. That is a classic cult mind-control tactic.

All of our process blogs are the Desteni tools 'in use,'  whch are learned in DIP or for free on the website. Learning these tools is THE reason for doing DIP, understanding these tools, their purpose and effectiveness is accomplished through reading the blogs. You can also read the ‘blogging forsponsorship’ thread on the desteni site to see why people are joining DIP, by showing that they are comitted and have a good grasp of the tools and the reason for using the tools.. The rest of your statement here does not apply to me, as I have answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. You are making accusations about Desteni members here, but this has not been my experience.

 Equality and oneness and doing what’s best for all is not a bland generality, it is a set of principles that systems (such as economic or educational systems) can be founded upon. Whatever system is created by mankind should be created according to these principles, because that is what you or anyone would want if you were born into a position of lack. A system based on these principles would not allow lack, because those creating the systems would consider themselves equal to those who the system is being created for. That’s equality.

Oneness involves viewing the entire world system as one thing, where something that happens over here effects and has consequences over there. Like one country that over-consumes creates another country that doesn’t have enough because of finite resources.

Doing what’s best for all involves every aspect of a system to be analyzed by policy analysis techniques (which already exist today to analyze current policy) in order to make sure that everyone is considered in all decisions.

Equality and oneness and doing what’s best for all can and must also be applied on an individual level: Equality involves, for example, notjudging (for example, viewing another  as inferior or superior rather than your equal), not reacting (because then you allow another to have power over you instead of you being equal to yourself and directing yourself).

Oneness involves valuing yourself as others, and others as yourself. And this includes all life- obviously. I know some may find this part crazy and think something like “I’m not equal to a plant” or something likfe that. But, in reality, we value ourselves more than our environment, and look at the effects that has: we’re destroying it. We are running out of water. Our oceans are full of nuclear waste, plastic, oil, dispersants, tires, garbage, sewage and all sorts of other human by-products and waste which is created and exasperated in a profit-based economic system. If we valued our environment as much as we valued ourselves or money, the world would be a very different place.

Doing what’s best for all means, within every action we consider its effects on the whole.

For an example of incorporating and integrating the principles of equality and oneness into an individual life, read my blog about the 7 year process I have committed to here: kimsjourneytolife.blogspot.com

I'm glad that may blog caused your friend to try to intervene. That's definitely a good friend.

Yes- I agree that is what a good friend should do if he or she claims to care, and I told her that. The problem is that she was misinformed, by you. She’s cool about it now- at least that’s what she expressed.

 You are in a dangerous and destructive cult.

I have here taken the time to answer your response as an equal. I only ask that you do the same within my following question:

1) how exactly is Desteni dangerous, and where did you get that information? Please provide examples, either direct quotes and their location online, or specific videos and which part in the video concerns you. Please notice this question has two parts; How is it dangerous, and, back your argument with supporting proof. This is not an unreasonable request, because if you don’t provide proof that everyone can check out for themselves, then you can just say anything. I want to keep this in the realm of reality by providing proof that anyone who has internet access can verify for themselves, and not just in your mind of ideas where you can think anything you want (and say it) without having to actually back yourself up.

There are resources out there for people in your situation to try to disconnect from mind control cults, but you have to want to do it.

The mind control cult I want to disconnect from is this CULTure I live in, which had me believing I needed to be seen as beautiful and sexy in order to have value -which trained me to compete with my fellow man in order to be successful. -which had me believing success was a matter of how much money I make, regardless of what consequences I was creating through making it –which had me believing I can’t change, -which promotes mindless drinking and sex without promoting commitment, understanding and respect, –which tells me Hollywood is more important than billions starving –which promotes piece of shit products that are cheap and polluting and waste my money, but is okay because it creates profit somewhere else, -which sells violence and sex to children and young adults through movies, magazines, videogames and online, -which condones war and calls it patriotic and heroic, -where if you don't have money, you don't have a voice or a value… I can go on and on…  What I am describing here is a dangerous and destructive cult. This culture we live in; our status quo.

This is what Desteni is taking on as a task to change. Spreading common sense so that people can look at how dangerous and destructive we have become, and pointing out the consequences which are slowly arriving at our doorsteps. The systems that supposedly 'support us' are fracturing, they’re failing us. Look at Canada’s healthcare system, look at unemployment in the U.S., look at the economy in Europe, look at debt. When people are fed up and ready to realize the need for change is imminent, the Equal Money System will be there, more mature then it is now, more acceptable than it seems now, because now people are still comfortable; we can still live the lie that consumerism is ok and nothing bad is happening. But the entire world is practically screaming at us to wake up. Those of us who live in insulated bubbles in developed countries, who have enough, i.e.: those of us with the power to change things, but refuse to because of what it would require, are the ones who need to be shaken awake. But like you said, you have to want it. No one can do that for you.

 Anyone who joins Desteni is making the commitment and the statement that we are ready to face it now, to change our lives and stop living the lie. We may be innocent because we were born into this system as it is, but we cannot claim ignorance. When one decides to realize this, Desteni will be waiting. I will be waiting. Bernard Poolman will be waiting. Waiting to support you to change yourself, to take on the enormous task, to empower yourself, to commit. But while everybody reacts to us, ignores us, watches us from the sidelines, or whatever- we will be constantly and continuously working on ourselves and taking small steps, day by day, to grow the awareness and realization, the concept of Equal Money and the funding necessary, and creating a platform that will be able to support it all.

 I hope you'll pull out of it because I hate to see shady people like Bernard Poolman use and abuse the trust and admiration of innocent people who fall into his orbit. Good luck to you.

Hope is just another word for inaction. Bernard Poolmandoesn’t have that kind of power. I may be innocent, but I’m not ignorant. I don’t require luck because I am taking full responsibility for what I do and the consequences thereof. Besides, ‘wishing’ someone ‘luck’ is really an ineffective way to have an influence or make an impact in any way- I’m just saying.

Is Equal Money Communism?

What is Equal Money? Is it communism? Is it socialism? Anarchy? Liberalism? It’s hard to distinguish what Equal Money is, or what the Equal Money system entails because it doesn’t yet exist. What does exist is people’s perceptions of this system. Perceptions which rely on their past experiences, and their current knowledge of what exists in the world already, based on what they have learned, which is based in the past. When you take that past and lay it out before you as a frame of reference within which to base decisions, of course you’ll be doomed to failure and a repetition of past mistakes. What we have learned is based on the history of what’s been here and what’s already happened, while the equal money system is a proposal of a kind that has never before been conceived. There is no pre-set framework to guide us, we’re going into a no-comfort zone where we CAN’T predict how all the details will play out in reality exactly, not at this early stage. All we can to is choose a principle to guide us and keep us in line. In choosing to study the desteni material one learns that the optimal principle to abide by s one that considers all life, this is the principle of equality, which entails doing what’s best for all.

So, with regards to the Equal Money system, If you want to start imagining outcomes in your own mind then you have all the powers of a god and creator to amplify your doubts and magnify your skepticism and biases. However, when you do this, all you are doing is putting up walls and barriers, preventing change, preventing alternative thinking, creativity and human ingenuity while preserving the status quo. The status quo, meaning, our current reality: the one where over a billion of us are starving, where children are living in garbage dumps with no shoes, picking through the rot for something to sell or eat. Where the animals that feed us are being treated dirt in factory farms, and the one where nobody is to blame yet we all are responsible. The continuation of this reality must be immediately stopped, and a new system must be implemented In its place, and that is why we propose the Equal Money System.

The Equal Money System may be similar in certain respects to socialist and communist ideals, ideals which have never actually been realized in reality, but at the same time, it’s not really comparable to these systems because they never came from a starting point of equality, real actual equality. But if you have any pre-conceived ideas towards systems like communism, socialism or liberalism, it’s easy to pick out the similarities or differences between these systems and the equal money system to back your opinion, whether it be for or against. But the Equal Money system really has no frame of reference in our history, it is a system that proposes we act according to our principles, that we align those principles to ones we can all agree on, such as: doing what's best for all, including you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, love thy neighboor etc... Everybody knows this stuff and is familiar with these principles, but has anyone ever had the discipline and will power to abide by them in their every action? This is what is required in this lifetime, and this has never been attempted before.

The Equal Money System entails providing every human being with an inherent value upon birth. This value includes all the basic necessities to live a dignified life: food/water, shelter, medical attantion when needed, an education, and transportation. This value is not able to accumulate, it is not able to be taken or given away, it is not able to carry over after death. It is the inate value of life that will be provided to each life equally so that non may starve due to the profitting of others.

Parallel to this system of provision of basic necessities is a system for luxuries; a labour system. This parallel system will also abide by the principle of 'what's best for all' by ensuring that every part of the labour, from resources to by-products to waste, is dealt with in the most effective and least harmful way possible. Because there will be no influence of profits, there will be no competitioon. All research will focus on the creation of a superior product, not a cost-efficient product. Products will therefor be built to last, not to self-destruct after a short time, forcing the consumer to purchase more frequently, and not a product that is cheap because it was built by people who are so desperate they will work for less than two dollars a day.

Most products as we know them now are devestating to people, animals and the environment at every stage of their development. From harmful and unsustainable extraction of resources, to chemically enhanced processing of materials which pollute, as well as cheap labour, i.e. slave labour, and unhealthy working environments. The effects of these practices accumulate on our earth over time (as the wealth also accumulates to those who have ownership and away from the masses). Our environment is being destroyed, our people are stressed, depressed, diseased and dying, our children have no future, and all we have to show for it are things like Walmart and MacDonald's, the IPad, cheap clothes and products made from synthetic materials, etc etc etc.... basically, what we have is consumerism, and valuing profit and products over life itself.

The Equal Money System will guarenteewritng and math etc... but in a supportive environment free of competition and comparison. Within their higher education they may chose to learn specialized labour and to further themselves in whatever way they chose so that they can be contributing members of society. For their efforts they will earn an income while they study. The income is hourly based on the worth of one hour of human labour. This implies that one hour of human labour has one value, no matter what the job that human happens to be doing. For those who chose not to pursue a higher education, they will perform a mandatory 4 years of conscription labour. For 4 years they will do all the jobs that keep society running, and they will be paid for their time. After this they may do as they wish, working or not- however, if they chose not to work, they will not be able to have any luxuries -which some may be fine with- but others will want to afford entertainment and toys etc... so they will have to work for them, just like the majority of us do today. Currently, only the elite in the world get to educate themselves with an education that the system deems adequate for a comfortable income, while most people can only dream of having access to a quality education. Low-income and middle-class America, who are the majority in that country, cannot afford a proper education, the price keeps going up yet the quality at most institutions keeps going down. And students are left with so much debt that they must work for years to pay it off. Many still are still working on it well into their thirties. We have to work every day to pay our next bills and buy our next meal. So compared to this, 4 years of conscription labour, with all our basics covered- really isn't that bad. Plus, the work  we do will be contributing to society in a way that is best for all, including animals and the environment .

Back to where we are now-

 The implementation of this system involves a group effort, and in order for it to be successful, the effort within that group has to focus on the question “how can we make this work so that everybody is considered and everybody is clothed, housed, and fed.” because That is our first and foremost priority. Another question we have to contend with is the question of human nature. So instead of asking “will humankind be able to support a system that’s based in equality?” We ask, “How will we go about implementing a system based on equality within a group that has only ever known inequality, hierarchy, and stratification?” Not “is it possible”, but rather “how will we make it possible?”

Many people are unable to ask these questions because they believe this is just a repetition of communism, an idealistic socialist dream or too Utopian to conceive of.

The reason why the group called Desteni is asking these questions rather than engaging in full out debates and arguments about how this idea is not going to work, or how this system is similar to systems which have already failed, or how it’s doomed to failure, is because such debate is pointless and will get us nowhere. What we do is explain this system so that each may understand how it can work, how it is possible, why it is necessary and what steps need to be taken to get it moving (i.e. the creation of political parties, political platforms, the education of people about how this system will function, the understanding of the devestating effects of our current system and how this will change and why, etc..)

It doesn’t matter if the system we are proposing is similar to or different from communism, or if it contains elements of socialism or liberalism, or if it reminds some people of anarchy; what matters is that we understand why these systems failed, so that we do not repeat those same mistakes (I provide links and another article on this topic at the end of this blog).

This is the difference between a constructive discussion that aims to in every way take steps and make progress towards a goal, and a discussion that goes around in circles prophesying failure and non-action.

Desteni, as a global group, have come to the harsh realization that no one is coming to save us, and that the powers that be in this world, are not going to take the initiative either. So it is up to us, the common man and woman, to make this change. We need each person to just stop, and realize, one by one, what is really important in the world. That when people are dying, when children are being sold into prostitution, when animals are being horribly abused for profit, when our environment is depleting, it’s not about sex and money, beauty, clothes or sports, fashion or the latest technological gadgets; it’s about life, it’s about ending the atrocities we’ve caused in this world, and focusing our human potential on change and betterment. We need to realize this one person at a time, 1 + 1+ 1+ 1, until the willingness for change is here, because only then will change happen.

This realization is every individual’s responsibility, not just ours. We are simply taking the initiative to prove it is possible to narrow in on a goal in your life, to step up and work as a unified group towards a change. We are merely a living example that this is possible, waiting for everybody to come to the same realization of responsibility, despite your comfortable life, despite your doubts and fears, we ask that you change your focus from yourself and start thinking about others in the world who need your help.

Yes, my fellow man: I am asking you to step up. I don’t want your money, I don’t want your sympathy, I want you to realize your responsibility, the sooner the better, before it’s too late.
My point here is simple: don't pre-judge this proposal as anything that may already exist in your mind, because doing so is scripting failure. This is something that has never before been proposed, so keep an open mind, and if you're interested in finding out more, take the responsibility to do the research.

To find out about the EMS and how it is possible, check out equalmoney.org. To talk to people who’ve already decided to go for it, visit Desteni.co.za

You can start by checking out these links which will explain a bit more about this system, specifically illustrating the difference between the Equal Money System and communism:

Equal Money System - Nothing to do w/Communism or Utopia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwA-c-ENX1w

Socialism and Communism are frauds - I am one vote for World Equality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMLaBc8jew&feature=related

Equal Money System VS Communism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN3q2jasKuQ&feature=related

Equal Money System & Communism 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHRkDyCheQ&feature=channel_video_title

Communism and Equal Money System - do your research
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZXZyAkl3U

The Starting Point of Communism vs Equal Money System Part 1.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otc5deXfOZ4

The Starting Point of Communism vs Equal Money System Part 2.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhDHiiZ_kMg&feature=related

STOP SLAVERY = EQUAL MONEY SYSTEM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRibQTARAoI&feature=related

Communism & World Equality -- Not The Same Thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuK3ru0zxc0&feature=feedu

Product Control, Distribution and Capitalism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukZYeL3_gQ&feature=feedu

Marx’s “Equality”
http://darrylthomas.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/marxs-equality/

Also, read this from Manueal J, a member of Desteni:


When people react to the word "equality" by likening it to communism, they are demonstrating an energetic charge that the word has been imprinted with through historical developments. Aspects of equality were part of the theoretical Marxist idea but Marx never gave practical pointers to implement the idea on realistic terms, hence it remained a theory and nothing more. There are some similarities between an Equal Money system and some of the Marxian ideas. For example, a classless system and equal living condition for all are such shared ideas. Mostly the differences between theoretical Marxian ideas and an Equal Money System (EMS) are in having a living system through practical implementation of the principle of equality rather than a theoretical approach.

As already mentioned, the implemented idea of communism had nothing to do with the theoretical Marxian concepts. The discrepancy between the political ideology of Marxist communism, and the countries that were governed from the so-called premise of communism was and is that in reality these regimes were an extension of capitalism. Those regimes, of which China is still an example, were brought to power through money and war, and the exerted the same type of control upon its citizens as in capitalistic societies. China today is a glorified capitalistic system where dictatorship controls the country and caters to a White Elite with money. Products for consumption are produced by Chinese workers who are exploited for cheap labour. The consumer products are then marketed in the US and Europe where they are bought without recourse to the conditions under which these products were produced. The main factor here is the buying power of a Western and Christian world.

Moreover, the Capitalistic systems, such as the US, have used the idea of Communism as a form of propaganda to promote Capitalism as a system of freedom and choice in comparison to communism as a system of enslavement. Therefore, the word "equality" also triggers fears within people, fears that are pertaining to the loss of individualism. Yet, people who react in fear, or even consider ‘world equality’ as utopia, will falsely believe that they are free in a system where freedom is equated with granted purchasing power maintained through self-interest and greed.

In an EMS the main force is equality as applied and implemented principle - in short, as lived experience. Communism is a political ideology that works under the current monetary system. Equal Money is a new monetary system that works on the principle of equality.To ensure that there are no decisions being made from the standpoint of energetic, pre-programmed reactions, a mathematical principle is applied to create, at all times, what is best for all under all conditions. Equality as it is lived in an EMS, is without precedence and has no historical references because it is foremost a new monetary system that is open, meaning its sphere of influence stretches past nations and society over the entire world. An EMS, as an open system, has the starting point that everyone and every living creature is included. In that it is also differentiated from Communism and Socialism because in an EMS abuse cannot and will not exist.

In Communist regimes of the past and the present, what people shared equally was a poverty point while leaders were functioning from a point of power and ego - thus creating the same hierarchical structures as in a Capitalistic system and dependencies of people on the system. In addition, Communist regimes were engulfed in fighting Capitalism and those who were in opposition of the regime - hence abusing money and resources for the purpose of warfare.

In EMS there are no reasons for the squandering of resources or the need to uphold ideologies because the premise of functioning is that everyone is equal and only what is best for all is implemented - thus poverty and warfare is a thing of the past.

Members of Desteni stand for and work towards the worldwide implementation of an EMS. They are committed to facing and solving the problems that are here in the world. Destonians will achieve this through the basic steps of education and an effective income plan. Education is one of the basic approaches to re-create ourselves, all humans, from a starting point where we understand what it means to live in this world, to live with oneself and to live as an equal to all that is here. This starting point is unlike what we are currently living where we are steeped in self-interest, power, greed and ego. This education and the change we must become is a prerequisite for us to understand equality as lived principle through a correction of ourselves, as daily activity where we change ourselves on an individual level. Again, this shows that Destonians have no interest in acquiring power or imposing their views on others. By contrast, in communism regimes were imposing their agenda upon its citizens. In an EMS, education is necessary to understand and become the lived experience of being able to take everyone into consideration through our participation, through the work we perform and through mutual support of each other.